When President Trump deployed the military to Los Angeles in June, former Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano called it an “abuse of presidential power.” Napolitano, who is also the former governor of Arizona, told MSNBC that to federalize the national guard over California Governor Gavin Newsom’s objections was “simply outrageous.” 

During Napolitano’s time at DHS, she beefed up border security and increased deportations while also spearheading the creation of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) initiative. Now director of the new Institute for Security and Governance at UC Berkeley, Napolitano joins Commonwealth Club World Affairs to talk about the current administration’s border crackdown, criticism of ICE tactics, and what it all means for immigration policy, civil liberties and the economy. 

We’ll also hear from Napolitano, the former president of the University of California, about Trump’s efforts to reshape higher education.